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Mr. Kelly thanked the commissioners for their service to the City. He referred to the topic of building <br />relationships, expressing some confusion because at the last joint meeting, the commission had presented <br />several process ideas, which the council had accepted. However, none were cited in the packet and nothing <br />seemed to have occurred. For example, regarding how the commission conveys its opinions to the council, <br />the commission had discussed sending memorandums directly to the council on controversial topics and that <br />had occurred only once. Mr. Kelly said he would like to see memoranda from the commission reflecting the <br />issues discussed by the commission when reaching its recommendations, the pros and cons identified in <br />discussion, and the final votes. <br /> <br />Mr. Kelly recalled that the commission had also discussed sending commissioners to various council <br />meetings and he was unsure that occurred. Ms. McMillan indicated that it had. Mr. Kelly said the <br />commission also recommended establishing councilor/commissioner %uddies" but he had no contacts. Ms. <br />Levis said that occurred at differing levels. <br /> <br />Mayor Torrey expressed concern about the growing incidence of NIMBY (Not in My Back Yard) issues in <br />the community, saying there were citywide implications to all issues but frequently, a small segment of the <br />community that would be negatively impacted by an action or decision, drove an outcome that affected the <br />entire community, which might have been positively impacted otherwise. He asked how that could be <br />avoided, given that large segments of the community frequently did not see the value of contributing input. <br /> <br />Mayor Torrey observed that the commission did not seem to have the same political pressure placed on it <br />that the council received. He said the council needed a group such as the commission to weigh those <br />community ramifications without pressure. <br /> <br />Ms. Taylor believed all residents were impacted by political considerations, overt or not. She noted the <br />termination of the Citizen Involvement Committee (CIC), some of whose tasks the commission had assumed, <br />and asked commissioners to comment on whether they believed a separate CIC was needed. <br /> <br />Mr. Lawless believed that in regard to large-scale issues, the commission felt an intermediate dialogue about <br />the issues and political ramifications of recommendations was lacking. He said he would like to see <br />occasional work sessions between the commission and council regarding the reasoning behind its recommen- <br />dations. <br /> <br />In regard to the subject of the CIC, Mr. Belcher noted that the commission only addressed the land use <br />component of what the CIC had done. The commission had considered one or two projects to this point, and <br />he thought it was too early to tell if the committee would be missed. Ms. Levis agreed. She said the <br />commission understood the reasons for the committee's demise but in a way she found it sad given how <br />critical citizen input was. <br /> <br />Ms. Taylor hoped the CIC would be revived. <br /> <br />Ms. Taylor said she wanted to know the reasons for the commission's decision, what the vote was, and why <br />commissioners voted yes or no. <br /> <br />Mr. Meisner expressed appreciation for the %uddy" approach employed by the commission. He suggested <br />there were political, technical, and budgetary differences between the work of the council and commission. <br />He said the council was always provided with some information about the budgetary consequences of its <br />policy decisions, and he suggested the commission should be provided with similar information. <br /> <br />MINUTES--Eugene City Council October 20, 2004 Page 2 <br /> Work Session <br /> <br /> <br />