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it was difficult to imagine the continuation of the program beyond two years e because of the pressure expected on the system. He also said he saw the program as an interim solution moving toward a paid program and added that he thought some of the downtown businesses understood that. Mr. Hansen asked whether any difference could be seen in turnover with meters and without them. Mr. McCoy said he did not know what the figures were, but he thought a large percentage of shoppers would stay for less than two hours. Ms. Wooten asked about other cities' programs and asked for examples of mid- -size cities in which a limited parking program worked well and was cost- -effective. Staff said Santa Barbara, California, and Yakima, Washington, had similar programs. Ms. Bennett said she thought the commission probably would recommend another survey and a closer evaluation of the financial affects of both proposals, including a sum for replacement and maintenance of parking garages. Ms. Wooten asked how much enforcement capability would be needed to enforce on-street meters. Ms. Stewart said enforcement costs of the present program were high and the program was unenforceable. She sa i done f1 aw of the sys tern would be that demand would be higher than supply and the tax increase did not deal wi th that. Ms. Stewart also said the survey had indicated that those retailers closest to the lots were the most willing to pay the increase, and the commission had identified no parking for the retailers on the south end of the lot at 11th and Willamette. e Mr. Rutan asked whether the financial implications included everything. Mr. McCoy said the EPAC garage was not included, but the Overpark was. Mr. Holmer asked what type of property tax would be needed to spread the tax among all citizens. Mr. Wong said probably about lot per thousand would be required. Mr. Holmer said he thought parking was a city-wide responsibility, not just a downtown merchant responsibility. Mr. Hansen noted that some businesses already were required to provide parking, and they should not have to provide it for others. He also said it appeared the downtown merchants were trying to make a sound decision and he suggested doing a customer survey. Ms. Wooten said that was why she had asked about other cities and about the effect on retail sales. Responding to Mr. Miller1s question, Mr. McCoy said he expected businesses to explore some type of validation system beyond the two hours. Mr. Mill er suggested that that might help to alleviate some of the inequities of paying for the lots. Mr. Luell said a study of turnover had shown about 90 percent leaving before two hours. Mr. McCoy said today's presentation was only for information and he expected a recommendation to come back later for action. He added that he understood another survey of retailers was being done. Ms. Ehrman asked whether all businesses were included in EDA, and Ms. Stewart said EDA considered all businesses members and had attempted to include all businesses in the survey. - MINUTES--Eugene City Council Dinner/Work Session October 14, 1985 Page 4