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<br />On questian fram Mr. Hershner, the Manager explained cast af installatian is barne by EWEB
<br />and amartized aver a periad af time; cast af pawer and maintenance barne by Ci ty.
<br />Mrs. Campbell asked which af the tabulated plans matched thase farmerly presented by
<br />Otto. Paticha, architect, who. pratested installatian af the 60-faat pales called far
<br />in Plan I; she was tald Plans IX thraugh XII. Manager also. canfirmed that the Eugene
<br />Renewal Agency wauld nat pay any af the cast. He said if samething ather than the
<br />plan recammended by staff is decided upan, it wauld be desirable to. ask the cansul ting
<br />designers far the mall and the Renewal Agency to. bring anather prapasal to. the Cauncil.
<br />Mr. Mahr said it was his understanding that Plan I was the architects' recammendatian.
<br />Mrs. Campbell understaad there was an alternate plan submi tted. Cauncilman Williams
<br />said he had discussed the lighting with Hugh Mitchell, mall design architect, and faund
<br />the light level desired wauld deterndne the installatian - if 3.8 faatcandle require-
<br />ments,' then 60-faat pales with metal halide fixtures wauld be apprapriate.
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<br />Mr. Mahr restated the administratian' s request that if the recammendatian is changed,
<br />the mall architects wauld be asked to. prepare a new plan based an carefully prescribed
<br />specificatians.
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<br />Mr. Williams said he naw feels there is no. ather practical caurse to. pursue, cansidering
<br />the light level desired, trees in the area, ecanamics, etc. He moved secanded by Mr.
<br />Hershner to. reaffirm ari ginal Cauncil decisian to. install the 60-faat pales wi th metal
<br />halide lights.
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<br />Otto. Paticha, architect, distributed coPies af testimony to. Cauncil members to. suppart
<br />his views far lawer pales and incandescent lighting. He cammented an the staff's
<br />recammen dati ans , saying there was no. technical data presented supparting the design
<br />cri teria recammended, and generally discussed factars inval ved in selecting the praper
<br />lighting design. He asked that perfarmance criteria be established and referred back
<br />to. the archi tects to. have a lighting cansul tant prepare a design far the light.fix-
<br />tures. Mr. Paticha also. felt since the Renewal Agency has paid far ather lights, trees,
<br />street impravements in the dawntawn area, it wauld be passible to. ask HUD to. include the
<br />cast af these light fixtures.
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<br />Mrs. Campbell asked David Hunt, Renewal Agency directar, to. camment an paying the cast,
<br />and Mr. Hunt explained that Federal reguJatians prahibi t this expense because the mall
<br />lighting is nat cansidered narmal street lighting.
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<br />Charles Patterf, 420 East 3rd Avenue, pratested the methad af financing the praject.
<br />He feels the cas,'(;: shauld nat be at taxpayers expense.
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<br />Ray Wiley, engineer far Breeden Bras." shawed Caunci 1 members pi ctures he had af the
<br />60-faat pale lighting an the 14th Avenue praject, and said when faliage is an trees
<br />this type af lighting results in a severe light/dark cantrast. In answer to. Mr.Mahr's
<br />remark that a questiannaire distributed by EWEB in the 14th Avenue area determined the
<br />lighting was accepted by the neighbarhaad, Mr. Wiley said'he felt the questiannaire
<br />was no. mare than a summary showingappraval af the praject rather than appraval af
<br />1wight level.
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<br />Rachel Starr, graduate student fram the University af Oregan, said the questiannaire
<br />gave no. aptians far answers; questian submi tted w.as "da yau apprave" rather than "what
<br />is yaur apinian."
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<br />Mrs. Campbell asked Parks Directar Smi th to. camment an trees, in _ relatian to. the number
<br />af poles required by the plans; she was infarmed his department was nat invalved in
<br />the des i gn -.
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<br />Mr. Gribskav cammented that regardless af which agency paid far the lighting, cansidera-
<br />tian af econamics shauld be a part af the decisian. Mrs. Beal said she believes the
<br />cansensus is that more lighting is needed in the area, and it is naw a questian af a
<br />,praper decisian an a lang-term basis, nat just immediate cast and necessity. to. make the
<br />dawntawn area the mast attractive and livable. Mr. Gribskav,restated his pasitian that
<br />regardless af where the cast falls, it is s'till an impartant factar in whatever decisian
<br />is reached.
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<br />Mr. Wiley said 2 faatcandles are cansidered the industry standard, and if that level is
<br />pravided rather than 3.8 faatcandles, the cast wauld be less. Mr. Williams remarked
<br />that if Plan I is used with an~ fixture an each pale, the cast draps abaut a third, and
<br />cast af maintenance wauld drape If two. fixtures are installed an each pale and it
<br />is deci(1ed later 2 faatcandles are apprapriate rather than 3.8, it is simply a matter
<br />af changing bulbs.
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<br />A vate was taken an the matian to. reaffirm previaus Cauncil actian to. apprave Plan I.
<br />Mati an carri ed, Mrs. Beal and Mrs. Campbell vating no..
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<br />Scatt Wiley, 892 East 20th, compared the lighting plan prapased far the mall laap streets to. the
<br />installatian at 14th and Pattersan. He sa:id he feels this much light is nat really necessary to.
<br />obtain the abjectives af pratectian and also. present a pleasing image at night. He favars a
<br />more saftly scaled light at a lawer level.
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<br />Ott'a Paticha, 1820 Kana AStreet, suggested referral af the issue to. the Design Review Cammittee
<br />recently created by the Eugene Renewal Agency. He said, to.$, so far as he knaws the lighting
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