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'. ,?' On question from Mr. Hershner, the Manager explained cost of installation is borne by EWEB' andijriorti'zed over a period of time; cost of power and maintenance borne by City. Mrs,,:,""f.pampbell asked which of the tabulated plans matched those formerly presented by O!t~poticha, architect, who protested installation of the 60-foot poles called for i~:;;Plan I; she was told Plans IX through XII. Manager also confirmed that the Eugene , ~~ewal Agency would not pay any of the cost. He said if something other than the ,~'}jan i'econunended by staff is decided upon, it would be desirable to ask the consulting ~,~desi gners f~r ~e mall. and the Rene~al Agency to bring another ~roposal to the co~cil. ~ \A M,r:. Mohr sa~d ~ t was h~s understanding that Plan I was the arch~ tects' reconunendat~on. ';'i' f:,"'Mrs. Campbell understood there was an alternate plan submi tted. Councilman Williams ~l!' said he had discussed the lighting with Hugh Mitchell, mall design,architect, and found the lic;rht level desired would determine the installation - if 3.8 footcandle require- ments, then 60-foot poles with metal halide fixtures would be appropriate. I I i I I e\ Mr. Mohr restated the administration's request that if the reconunendation is changed, the ~ll architects would be asked to prepare a new plan based on caxefully prescribed specifications. Mr. Williams said he now feels there is no other practical course to plJIsue, considering the light level desired, trees in the area, economics, etc. He moved seconded by Mr. Hershner to reaffirm original Council decision to install the 60-foot poles with metal halide lights. Otto Poticha, architect, distributed copies of testim:my to Council members to support his views for lower poles and incandescent lighting. He conunented on the staff's reconunendations, saying there was no technical data presented supporting the design criteria recommended, and generally discussed factors involved in selecting the proper lighting design. He asked that performance criteria be established and referred back to the architects to have a lighting consultant prepare a design for the light fix- tures. Mr. Poticha also felt since the Renewal Agency has paid for other lights, trees, street improvements in the downtown area, it would be possible to ask HUD to include the cost of these light fixtures. Charles Potterf, 420 East 3rd Avenue, protested the method of financing the project. He feels the cost: should not be at taxpayers expense. , , I I ! i e: ! I I I i I I I I I I I i i I I I I Mrs. Campbell asked Davi d Huht, Renewal Agency di rector, to conunent on paying the cost, and Mr. Hunt explained that Federal regUlations prohibit this expense because' the mall lighting is not considered normal street lighting. Ray Wiley, engineer for Breeden Bros.., showed Council members pictures he had of the 60-foot pole lighting on the 14th Avenue project, and said when foliage is on trees this type of lighting results in a severe light/dark contrast. In answer to Mr.Mohr's remark that a questionnaire distributed by EWEB in the 14th Avenue area determined the ,J.ighting was accepted by the neighborhoOd, Mr. Wiley said he felt the questionnaire was no 1lIOre than a summary showing approval of the project rather than approval of light level. Mrs. Campbell asked Parks Director Smi th to conunent on trees in relation to the number of poles required by the plans; she was informed his department was not involved in the design. i I i . Rachel Starr, graduate student from the university of Oregon, said the questionnaire gave no options for answers; question submitted was "do you approve" rather than "what is your opinion." A vote was taken on the 1lIOtion to reaffirm previous Council action to approve Plan I. Motion carried, Mrs. Beal and Mrs. Campbell voting no. Comm 1/19/72 Approve I I I I I i I I I I I I I I . Mr. Gribskov commented that regardless of which agency paid for the lighting, considera- tion of economics should be a part of the decision. Mrs. Beal said she believes the consensus is that 1lIOre lighting is needed in the area, and it is now a question of a proper decision on a long-term basis, not just inunediate cost and necessity, to make the downtown area the most attractive and livable. Mr. Gribskov restated his position that regardless of where the cost falls, it is still an important factor in whatever decision is reached. Mr. Wiley said 2 foo,tcandles are considered the industry standard, and if that level is provided rather than 3.8 footcandles, the cost would be less. Mr. Williams remarked that if Plan I is used with one fixture on each pole, the cost drops about a third, and cost of maintenance would drop. If two fixtures are installed on each pole and it is decided later 2 footcandles are appropriate rather than 3.8, it is simpl!/ a matter of changing bulbs. Scott Wiley, 8~2 East 20th, compared the lighting plan proposed for the mall loop streets to the installation at 14th and Patterson. He said he feels thismuc:h light is not really necessary to obtain the objectives of protection and also present a pleasing image at night. He favors a more softly scaled light at a lower level. 'Otto poticha, 1820 Kona,Street, suggested referral of the issue to the Design Review Committee recently created by the Eugene Renewal Agency. He said, t9p, so far as he knows the lighting 1/24/72 - 5 1'2