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. e e Mr. Holmer said portable sandwich boards cause visual blight. Answering questions from Ms. Ehrman and Ms. Bascom, Mr. Croteau said sandwich boards in the downtown mall will require a mall permit. A revocable permit would be required for sandwich boards along 13th Avenue that are not on pri- vate property. He said it would be hard to decide what areas that are not in the Pedestrian-Auto District have enough pedestrian traffic to warrant sand- wich boards. He reviewed the recommended regulations. The councilors voted 6:1 with Mr. Holmer voting nay to approve the Planning Commission recommendation to permit sandwich boards in the downtown mall. Ms. Wooten asked the other councilors to consider permitting sandwich boards along 13th Avenue. She said the regulations for sandwich boards will be in the administrative rules the council will consider later. Several people commented on Ms. Wooten's suggestion. Mr. Miller wondered why sandwich boards should not be allowed in other shopping centers if they are allowed in the downtown mall. Mr. Rutan said sandwich boards along 13th Avenue will usually be in the right-of-way where people will walk into them. Several suggestions were made about the blocks on 13th Avenue on which sand- wich boards should be permitted. Mr. Croteau said the proposed changes apply only to property in the Pedestrian-Auto Sign District, and on 13th Avenue only the block between Kincaid and Alder is designated the Pedestrian-Auto Sign District. Ms. Wooten said the sign district should be extended along 13th Avenue. Mr. Rutan suggested the staff present a proposal to permit sandwich boards in several additional areas in the city. Ms. Ehrman said she under- stands that sandwich boards are useful for small businesses, but the 13th area is very congested and the City may have to constantly enforce the rules about the placement of sandwich boards if they are permitted along 13th Avenue. The councilors voted 5:2 with Councilors Schue, Wooten, Bascom, Ehrman, and Miller voting aye and Councilors Rutan and Holmer voting nay to consider a proposal which will permit sandwich boards along 13th Avenue. Several councilors indicated they may change their votes when the council takes final action. Mayor Obie indicated the council could look at what additional area of 13th Avenue may be appropriate for portable signs at a later date. Mr. Rutan suggested the staff be asked to indicate other areas in the City where sandwich boards might be permitted the next time the council considers the Sign Code Update. Mr. Miller emphasized that sandwich boards should be allowed in other shopping centers if they are permitted downtown. The sugges- tion was defeated 2:5 with Councilors Rutan and Miller voting aye and Council- ors Schue, Wooten, Bascom, Holmer, and Ehrman voting nay. 2. Banners, Flags and Other Attention-Getting Devices Mr. Croteau said the Planning Commission recommended that no limit be placed on the banners, flags, and other devices that would be permitted in the Pedes- trian-Auto Sign District. If the councilors wished to limit the size of the banners, flags, and other devices, he suggested a 50 square foot limit. MINUTES--Eugene City Council Work Session April 9, 1986 Page 4