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<br />. <br /> <br />groups or grass-roots groups to be able to talk with the people. <br />She noted that California has denoted malls as public places. <br />The public has paid for these places with road development, <br />water and sewer lines, and with social costs. She stated that <br />she does not see this as being a private property issue. She <br />sees it as a public place. She agreed with Mr. Hanson that some <br />Valley River customers might not want to hear what people have to <br />say, that they would be more interested in shopping for material <br />things. If people speaking are confined to a small space, the <br />risk is run that people may not find the area or that they may not <br />be heard. They should be free to move around since it is a moving <br />area. She further stated that this is a public area. She noted <br />that in the Eulene Refister-GUard it was stated that this should <br />not be passed or phi osophicaT reasons. Mr. Wayne Shields, <br />developer of Valley River Center, stated on August 4, 1969, "0ur <br />main objective is not to make it a sales center, but a civic <br />center." Mr. Hanson stated that the purpose of the mall is to <br />attract customers. The developers have said one thing and the <br />owners say another. It is her belief that they will say whatever' <br />works. <br /> <br />e <br /> <br />Jess Scott, 2660 Cheryl, stated that he does not believe in free <br />speech at the expense of the rights of others. Business owners <br />should not have to provide a space for everyone who comes along. <br /> <br />Vernon Gleaves, 975 Oak Street, attorney for Valley River Center, <br />stated he had distributed comments to the councilors. He stated <br />that he is in favor of free speech but not free speech in a <br />vacuum. What is being discussed is free speech at the expense <br />of property owners. The proposed amendment would affect private <br />property rights in violation of the United States and Oregon <br />constitutions as presently interpreted by the US Supreme Court and <br />the Oregon Supreme Court. The State of Oregon has definitive <br />case law that spells out the right of persons to use private <br />property. Justice Denacke concurred with the Lloyd case, stating <br />that private property rights are protected by the Oregon law of <br />property, particularly the property law that provides that a <br />property owner has the right to be free from trespassers. He <br />indicated that the invitation by property owners to the public to <br />shop on premises did not sufficiently alter the character of the <br />property so as to deprive property owners of rights under State <br />property law to oust persons they do not want on the premises, <br />although such persons came on the property endeavoring to exercise <br />First Amendment rights. The memo distributed by City staff does <br />not contain any citation of authority. He does not believe that <br />any such authority exists. The California case of Robins vs. Prune- <br />yard Shopping Center held by a 4-3 vote that the State Constitution <br />, <br /> <br />- <br /> <br />5/5/80--7 <br />