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e e e 20th which is already as close as it can be without getting into a problem with the intersection. Mr. Lindberg asked if this site would be eliminated for safety reasons. Mr. Hanks responded that it would. Mr. Obie noted that the stop could be left where it is. It is LTD's responsibility to convince the council this is where it should be and that it would be better than the existing stop with the problems. He is not sure enough consideration has been given to this item and he feels staff should do more work. Ms. Smith indicated agree- ment. She asked how important it is to have another bus stop so close. George Montoya, planner for LTD, stated that this stop serves both the residents and high school students. This is one way, as is Willamette, so the route must be split. They must be able to accommodate both in and outbound passengers. The residence is at the desired spot, since they try to have stops at every two blocks so they can accommodate schedule times. Ms. Smith asked where the next bus stop is after the one at Willamette south of 20th. Mr. Montoya stated that it is left onto Oak off 18th. Ms. Smith asked if this is three to three and a half blocks. Mr. Montoya responded that it is. Ms. Miller stated that the 20th and Willamette stop should be adequate for the civic center patrons. The other stop would create lane change problems. Many people drive their vehicles and walk more than three and a half blocks. She asked what more staff should study. Ms. Schue stated that she rides that bus to get to council meetings. She can get off at 20th and Willamette or go three and a half blocks to get off at 18th. In the middle would be access to South Eugene High School. Another stop is needed. If there is inadequate room to shift lanes, then it should be placed where LTD feels it is best. However, if the stop could be kept where it is and bus drivers could be trained to make the necessary maneuvers, that would be ideal. She asked why it cannot be left as is on Oak and 19th. Mr. Montoya responded that there is no stop there now because of the signal that was installed there and there are no gaps for drivers to break into the traffic flow and get into the left turn lane. Ms. Schue asked if they could wait for a break in the traffic. Mr. Montoya responded that they cannot do it during rush hour and they must be able to in order to keep on time with the schedules. Ms. Schue asked if that suggestion is impractical. Mr. Montoya responded that it is not a reliable alternative. Mr. Lindberg stated that he understands the need under ordinary circumstances, but with the school situation, there is no evidence that students would stop going to school if they had to walk another block. He asked if there is addi- tional information about this. Mr. Montoya stated that he does not know and does not have the information. Mr. Lindberg stated that he understood that the use of this stop was for Civic Stadium for which there is an alternative stop and the second use was for the school. Mr. Hanks stated that this is part of the comprehensive plan of working toward 30 percent of the people using alterna- tive modes. When transit becomes as convenient as possible, it will change the mode. Mr. Lindberg indicated 110 percent agreement with that goal, but thinks MINUTES--Eugene City Council January 26, 1981 Page 16