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Mr. Brink called the council's attention to the pictures that demonstrated the proposed permitted newspaper <br />dispenser placements. <br /> <br />Mr. Brink conveyed the support of DE1 and EIC for the ordinance and submitted his testimony in writing <br />into the record. <br /> <br />Beth Little, 1560 Grant Street, general manager of the Saturday Market, felt it essential that the people <br />who come to the Saturday Market both as vendors and customers feel the downtown area is a destination. <br />She commented that the process to renew the administrative rules without a mall was a constructive one <br />which included businesses, the library, EPD, the City Manager's Office, Planning and Development, and <br />the Lane Transit District (LTD). She noted the membership of the market numbered 780 and called the <br />market a ~precious" part of the community, adding that the market had now been running for 34 years. <br />She conveyed the market's support for the ordinance. <br /> <br />Angus James, 200 West Broadway Street, said he came before the council to encourage acceptance of the <br />ordinance. He did not support completely overturning the prohibition on sleeping and lying down in the <br />downtown area. He felt his employees did not have a way to deal with the potential conflict ~lying on the <br />sidewalk" in front of his business could create. He noted he had been a member of the business community <br />of Eugene for 18 years. He called the activities in the downtown area unique and felt the downtown area <br />needed all the help it could get to ~keep things moving." He expressed concern that a lack of concrete <br />prohibitions put his employees at a disadvantage when trying to enforce behavioral rules in the outdoor <br />area of his downtown business. <br /> <br />Polly Nelson, PO Box 50426, representing the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), conveyed legal <br />concerns that there were no protections for speech or protections for signature gatherers. She questioned <br />whether a musician who put out a guitar case to collect money would be considered to be fundraising and <br />whether, should a crowd of 25 or more people gather to listen, the musician would be required to obtain a <br />permit. She wondered if fundraising could really have been intended to mean panhandling. <br /> <br />Ms. Nelson cited the bottom of page 4 of the ordinance, which talked about conduct within 20 feet of <br />authorized activity that prevented reasonable people with normal sensitivities from participating in the <br />properly authorized activity from carrying on a normal conversation. She asked whose sensitivities would <br />be considered. She suggested the establishment of decibel limits as a solution to the vagueness of this <br />language. <br /> <br />Ms. Nelson relayed the willingness of the ACLU to work with the City to alleviate problems before <br />implementation. She stated that free speech could be protected, noting that there was much talk of <br />commerce in the ordinance, and that it was difficult to differentiate between commerce and all other kinds <br />of speech without being concerned about constitutional limitations. <br /> <br />David Hinkley, 1350 Lawrence Street, Apartment 6, said his biggest fear was that the ordinance would <br />work and move ~the problem" from the downtown area to his neighborhood. He stated there were already <br />problems in Monroe Park, Charnel-Mulligan Park, and around the Lane County Fairgrounds. He felt there <br />were enough problems in his neighborhood. <br /> <br />MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 10, 2003 Page 6 <br /> Regular Meeting <br /> <br /> <br />