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problems day in and day out and it affected his psyche. In regard to Kesey Square, he asked that the council address <br />the problem and send out an RFP to transform the space or allow the private sector to do something. The community <br />needed to reclaim its downtown. <br /> <br />Lloyd Lewis <br />, a downtown business owner, said his business suffered from the same problems other businesses did. <br />The graffiti was down but urination was up. He had seen both men and women squat and defecate between <br />buildings. A certain level of tolerance built up and everyone assumed that was okay. He had put up signs that did <br />not prevent people from urinating on the back door. Feedback he heard indicated it was an ongoing problem; some <br />designers called to request access through the rear to avoid having to go through the panhandlers and alcoholics in <br />front. He wanted to be downtown but did not want to put up with the situation much longer. He did not know if the <br />ordinance was the answer, but anything the council could do that called on those breaking the law to be punished <br />could not have a negative impact. He also advocated for downtown housing as a way to make people feel safer. He <br />said that his employees did not confront downtown youth because they were afraid of window breakage, and <br />commended the DEI guides for the work they did in getting youth to move on. <br /> <br />Claudia Arenda <br /> supported the ordinance. She said she was a single mother and she feared for her daughter’s safety <br />and her own safety downtown. She frequently cleaned graffiti off walls and witnessed people urinating close up. She <br />wanted a safer environment for everyone downtown. She loved her work and did not want to leave it. <br /> <br />Dan Neal <br />, public defender for the Eugene Municipal Court, was sympathetic to the stories he heard and had <br />difficulty understanding why people were not being prosecuted for their activities on the mall. He asked how well <br />calculated the ordinance was to solve the problem, and he did not think it would. He thought the City needed to <br />prosecute people arrested for crimes on the mall. He had defended people for misdemeanor charges that paled in <br />comparison to what he was hearing tonight. He suggested an exclusion order would not help and if a person was <br />arrested for violating an exclusion order that person would likely be released from jail. He suggested that to take <br />effective steps to reduce crime was to hope more development took place. He was optimistic in that regard. In the <br />meantime, he feared passage of the ordinance would create a new class of offenders who would not spend time in jail. <br />He pointed out that every judge had the power to exclude people from the mall. He said the ordinance was another <br />tool but it was less effective as it created more problems and added to the cost of public safety. <br /> <br />rd <br />Cathy Sigmund <br />, 2545 West 23 Avenue, owned a business at 764 Lincoln Street. She said the downtown area had <br />deteriorated rapidly and was now owned by street gangs and those with no purpose. They harassed her customers <br />and her employees had to be walked to their cars. She acknowledged the ordinance was not perfect but thanked <br />councilors Ortiz and Clark for sponsoring it. She thought it carried a message of hope to downtown business owners. <br />She recalled a vibrant downtown and said she continued to hold out because she hoped it would be vibrant again. <br />She said that successful proposals were inevitably delayed and fell by the wayside. She did not think that the council <br />would get people to live downtown unless they felt safe and protected. She urged the council to act on the ordinance. <br />Ms. Sigmund said she trusted the discretion of the young police officers she saw near her business and admired them <br />and was amazed the City could still get young people who wanted to be officers. <br /> <br />Claire Syrett <br />, representing the American Civil Liberties Union, opposed the proposed ordinance. She said the <br />ACLU opposed exclusion zones imposed through an administrative or civil procedure aimed at criminal conduct. <br />She said the ACLU’s opposition was based on policy concerns rather than a belief such ordinances were inherently <br />unconstitutional. She said the ACLU believed restrictions on one’s movements should be imposed only by a judge in <br />the context of a criminal proceeding, which has requirements for legal representation. The ACLU believed the <br />ordinance would merely shift the problems being experienced downtown to another area of town and give too much <br />discretion to police officers to issue show cause orders. She called for an ordinance that authorized a judge to impose <br />an exclusion order on a person as a condition of release or probation, ensuring that they would have legal representa- <br />tion. <br /> <br /> <br />MINUTES—Eugene City Council July 21, 2008 Page 4 <br /> Public Hearing <br /> <br />