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<br />Judge Wayne Allen stated that people were informed in Municipal Court at the time of a hearing on any type <br />of violation that they had the right to be represented by an attorney. He said providing an attorney at the <br />hearing under the ordinance would be expensive, but it was a difficult issue because a person might say <br />something at the hearing that could present a problem for them at trial. <br /> <br />The motion to amend failed, 5:3; councilors Taylor, Bettman and Zelenka voting <br />yes. <br /> <br />Councilor Zelenka, seconded by Councilor Pryor, moved to add a new Section F to <br />Section 4.875 requiring that the officer inform the person that they have a right to <br />counsel at the hearing. <br /> <br />Chief Lehner said that the written notice could contain that information. <br /> <br />In response to a question from Councilor Clark, Mr. Lidz assured him that the motion would not change the <br />council’s intent that the ordinance was a civil remedy and not a criminal punishment. <br /> <br />The motion to amend passed, 5:3; councilors Bettman, Taylor and Solomon voting <br />no. <br /> <br />Councilor Taylor opined that the ordinance was unjust and unenforceable. She said the people who were <br />excluded would not disappear and could cause problems elsewhere in the community. She sympathized with <br />Betty Snowden. She said there were laws in place to address the offenses and the council should be <br />discussing solutions to the problems, such as increasing the downtown police presence, using volunteers to <br />help downtown, building a public restroom, providing shelter for the homeless and creating a center open to <br />all youth. <br /> <br />Councilor Bettman said she would not support the ordinance. She agreed there was unacceptable criminal <br />behavior downtown, but could not support excluding people prior to conviction of a crime. She said the <br />Police Department budget had been increased to address problems downtown and in urban parks, and asked <br />how much money it would take for the police to respond to those issues. She felt there were many <br />expenditures that were extraneous and the money could be put toward increasing patrol capacity. <br /> <br />Councilor Zelenka said he could not support the ordinance as it was too broadly written as amended. <br /> <br />Councilor Pryor said he did not want to have an exclusionary zone, but it was unconscionable what was <br />happening to people downtown. He said it represented a collision between personal liberty and community <br />good will and councilors would vote their conscience. He would reluctantly support the ordinance and <br />hoped it would improve public safety in the downtown area. <br /> <br />Councilor Taylor recommended that a committee of community members could be established to consider <br />solutions to the problems downtown, instead of penalties. <br /> <br />Councilor Clark expressed his appreciation for the thorough discussion of the issue. He did not see the <br />ordinance as a solution for all of the problems downtown; it was a good first step. He asked Chief Lehner to <br />respond by memorandum to Councilor Bettman’s question about what resources would be required to do an <br />adequate job of community policing in the downtown core area. <br /> <br />MINUTES—Eugene City Council August 11, 2008 Page 2 <br />Regular Meeting <br /> <br />