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the problem and send out an RFP to transform the space or allow the private sector to do something. The community <br />needed to reclaim its downtown. <br /> <br />Lloyd Lewis <br />, a downtown business owner, said his business suffered from the same problems as other businesses. <br />The graffiti was down but urination was up. He had seen both men and women squat and defecate between <br />buildings. A certain level of tolerance had built up and everyone assumed these actions were okay. He had put up <br />signs that had not prevented people from urinating on the back door of his business. Feedback he heard indicated it <br />was an ongoing problem; some designers had called to request access through the rear of his business to avoid having <br />to go through the panhandlers and alcoholics in front. He wanted to be downtown but did not want to put up with the <br />situation much longer. He did not know if the ordinance was the answer, but anything the council could do that <br />called on those breaking the law to be punished could not have a negative impact. He also advocated for downtown <br />housing as a way to make people feel safer. He said that his employees did not confront downtown youth because <br />they were afraid of window breakage, and commended the DEI guides for the work they did in getting youth to move <br />on. <br /> <br />Claudia Arenda <br /> supported the ordinance. She said she was a single mother and she feared for her daughter’s safety <br />and her own safety downtown. She frequently cleaned graffiti off walls and witnessed people urinating close up. She <br />wanted a safer environment for everyone downtown. She loved her work and did not want to leave it. <br /> <br />Dan Neal <br />, public defender for the Eugene Municipal Court, was sympathetic to the stories he heard and had <br />difficulty understanding why people were not being prosecuted for their activities on the mall. He asked how well <br />calculated the ordinance was to solve the problem; he did not think it would. He thought the City needed to prosecute <br />people arrested for crimes on the mall. He had defended people for misdemeanor charges that paled in comparison to <br />what he was hearing tonight. He suggested an exclusion order would not help and if a person was arrested for <br />violating an exclusion order that person would likely be released from jail. He suggested that an effective step to <br />reduce crime downtown would be more development. He was optimistic in that regard. In the meantime, he feared <br />passage of the ordinance would create a new class of offenders who would not spend time in jail. He pointed out that <br />every judge had the power to exclude people from the mall. He said the ordinance was another tool but it was less <br />effective as it created more problems and added to the cost of public safety. <br /> <br />rd <br />Cathy Sigmund <br />, 2545 West 23 Avenue, owned a business at 764 Lincoln Street. She said the downtown area had <br />deteriorated rapidly and was now owned by street gangs and those with no purpose. They harassed her customers <br />and her employees had to be walked to their cars. She acknowledged the ordinance was not perfect but thanked <br />councilors Ortiz and Clark for sponsoring it. She thought it carried a message of hope to downtown business owners. <br />She recalled a vibrant downtown and said she continued to hold out because she hoped it would be vibrant again. <br />She said that successful proposals were inevitably delayed and fell by the wayside. She did not think that the council <br />would get people to live downtown unless they felt safe and protected. She urged the council to act on the ordinance. <br />Ms. Sigmund said she trusted the discretion of the young police officers she saw near her business and admired them <br />and was amazed the City could still get young people who wanted to be officers. <br /> <br />Claire Syrett <br />, representing the American Civil Liberties Union, opposed the proposed ordinance. She said the <br />ACLU opposed exclusion zones imposed through an administrative or civil procedure aimed at criminal conduct. <br />She said the ACLU’s opposition was based on policy concerns rather than a belief such ordinances were inherently <br />unconstitutional. She said the ACLU believed restrictions on one’s movements should be imposed only by a judge in <br />the context of a criminal proceeding, which has requirements for legal representation. The ACLU believed the <br />ordinance would merely shift the problems being experienced downtown to another area of town and give too much <br />discretion to police officers to issue show cause orders. She called for an ordinance that authorized a judge to impose <br />an exclusion order on a person as a condition of release or probation, ensuring that they would have legal representa- <br />tion. <br /> <br /> <br />MINUTES—Eugene City Council July 21, 2008 Page 4 <br /> Public Hearing <br /> <br />