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marketplace and agreed with Mr. Meisner that shoppers would ultimately make the decision. He said that if <br />wages, benefits, and union labor were the issues, they were more appropriately addressed at the State or <br />national level instead of by the City of Eugene. <br /> <br />Ms. Nathanson agreed that the issue was bigger than Eugene and said that in studies of the impact of large <br />retail stores it appeared a major factor was some cities' pursuit of retail because they were dependent on <br />sales tax revenue and that created difficulties in assessing whether the impact was positive or negative. She <br />said that was not an issue for Eugene and wondered whether preventing or limiting large-volume retailers in <br />Eugene would result in people driving farther to shop at that retailer in a neighboring community. She was <br />dubious that restrictions would accomplish what was intended, either to influence the ownership of <br />businesses or reverse the trend of consumerism. <br /> <br />Ms. Solomon concurred with comments from Mr. Meisner, Mr. Pap~, and Ms. Nathanson, particularly <br />about people voting with their pocketbooks. She stated she was a Wal-Mart shopper and had a right to <br />choose and shop for the lowest prices, including going to Wal-Mart, and it was not the role of the council to <br />take those choices away from citizens. Referring to earlier comments about %ig box" stores causing blight, <br />she noted that the Wal-Mart/Target complex on West 11th Avenue had generated a number of additional <br />local commercial and retail services in the vicinity. <br /> <br />Ms. Bettman said that there were two distinct and overlapping issues: the economic security and develop- <br />ment issue and the land use and growth issue. She said that over-commercialization did impact local <br />businesses. She indicated that the City's policies relating to densification and infill also applied to <br />businesses with respect to commercial property and parking. She stated that the City's efforts to attract jobs <br />should include a look at the type of development that actually reduced jobs and wages. She said that public <br />safety was impacted by a rise in shoplifting-related calls attributed to "big box" stores and when land was <br />used for commercial development that included a large amount of surface parking, it was taken out of the <br />inventory but not taxed in a way that created optimum revenue. <br /> <br />Referring to the issue of choice, Ms. Bettman said that a formula chain entity represented a false economy <br />because of the hidden costs related to subsidies. She said when a large regional attractor was created at the <br />edge of the city limits, the municipality paid for costs such as transportation, public safety, and planning and <br />subsidized the low-wage jobs through social services. <br /> <br />Mayor Torrey asked if the real reason was for the proposed restrictions was the low wage and benefits jobs <br />and if Wal-Mart agreed to pay a wage acceptable to the council, would objections to the expansion be <br />dropped. He questioned whether the same rules would be applied to local businesses and if not, there would <br />be legal ramifications. He said he did not believe that the Wal-Mart application already submitted could be <br />stopped and if there were potential negative impacts to transportation or wetlands, residents could file legal <br />challenges. He said preventing "big box" retail development in the community would simply result in that <br />development being located at the edge of the urban growth boundary (UGB) north of Eugene along Highway <br />99 and Eugene would still have to deal with transportation impacts. He said he was not opposed to a <br />council decision to address the issue as an ordinance, but was opposed to action that would stop the current <br />process, such as a moratorium, and would veto such action. <br /> <br />Ms. Taylor commented that "big box" retail sometimes caused the loss of other jobs, requiring a subsidy of <br />employees through social services. She said that efforts to improve downtown were affected by what <br />happened on the edge of town. She requested a moratorium to allow the council time to think about options. <br /> <br />MINUTES--Eugene City Council May 24, 2004 Page 7 <br /> Work Session <br /> <br /> <br />