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Ms. Nelson supported Sgt. Fitzgerald’s recommendation to add sex offenses to the ordinance. <br />Ms. Nelson continued to have questions around the issue of due process and looked forward to court challenges to <br />the ordinance as a means to answer some of the commission’s questions. However, given that the City lacked the <br />ability to hold people before trial, there would be more failure to appear violations if the DPSZ did not exist. On <br />balance, she thought the DPSZ was worth having in place. <br />Mr. Ahlen suggested the commission’s discussion of the ordinance was an opportunity to communicate to the <br />council that the City needed to find a way to fund more jail beds. He termed the DPSZ a temporary “fix” until <br />that could occur. <br />Mr. Brown said the City Council had recently had a chance to devote more resources to public safety or to social <br />service and a council majority chose to devote more money to public safety, which he found unfortunate. He <br />hoped the council did a better job of allocating resources in the future. <br />Responding to a question from Mr. Brown about the core group of offenders, Lt. Mozan said the exclusion had a <br />time window and when the time expired some offenders returned to the downtown. Some returned within the <br />exclusion period and were charged with a criminal violation. Many were offending elsewhere. He referred the <br />commission to page 9 of the report, which indicated that ten percent of all crime was taking place in a ten-block <br />area of downtown. <br />Mr. Brown commended increased communication with the stakeholders but pointed out that could occur without <br />the exclusion zone. He did not support the ordinance and questioned whether the zone had been effective given <br />that crime had only gone down in two categories and those excluded were free to commit crimes in other parts of <br />the community. He thought the ordinance’s provisions were unclear and believed it violated the United States <br />Constitution. He said the City already had laws in place, and needed more resources to make the system work. <br />He did not think the ordinance improved anything. <br />Mr. Clark suggested the commission was making assumptions about due process that might not be accurate. He <br />asked how long an officer could hold someone following arrest. Chief Kerns said that a person must be arraigned <br />within 24 hours but their movements could be restricted within that time period. He said it required the same <br />evidence for a judge to exclude someone as it required for the officer to exclude someone. Lt. Mozan clarified <br />that judges, not officers, excluded people from downtown. <br />Mr. Clark believed that the DPSZ had resulted in the desired results. He also agreed with adding sex offenses to <br />the list of offenses for which one could be excluded. While he understood the concerns expressed regarding the <br />lack of legal counsel at hearings, he pointed out that people could also complain to the Police Auditor about that <br />issue without a lawyer present, and to date no one had. <br />Mr. Mueller objected to the ordinance. He suggested that a homeless alcoholic person who was usually in a haze <br />most of the time would be unable to stand in front of a judge and understand the proceedings without a lawyer. <br />He did not see how someone could get due process in such a situation. <br />Mr. Mueller regretted the commission lacked information about the exclusion zone passed in Portland and <br />subsequently discarded. He suggested Eugene could face similar challenges to its zone. <br />Mr. Mueller said if the commission was to recommend the continuation of the DPSZ to the council, he supported <br />the addition of sex offenses and the elimination of public urination as reasons for exclusion. He called for more <br />bathrooms in downtown. <br />Mr. Mueller said that the mentally ill do not know what was going on and a mentally ill person should not receive <br />an exclusion order. He noted that two people were excluded for marijuana possession and he thought that <br />ridiculous, and called for the deletion of possession as a reason for exclusion. <br /> <br />