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Eugene City Council
Workshop
Bascom/Tykeson Room – Eugene Public Library
August 9, 2006
Noon
COUNCILORS PRESENT: Jennifer Solomon, Andrea Ortiz, Betty Taylor, David Kelly, Gary Papé,
George Poling, Chris Pryor.
COUNCILORS ABSENT: Bonny Bettman.
Her Honor Mayor Kitty Piercy called the meeting of the Eugene City Council to order.
A. WORKSHOP: City Council Priority Issue – City Hall Complex
City Manager Dennis Taylor said the purpose of the workshop was to refine ideas associated with the City
Hall complex in preparation for a community meeting on August 24, 2006. He said the focus of discussion
would be the site evaluation criteria. He introduced consultant Jonah Cohen to provide an overview of the
workshop.
Introduction and Objectives
Mr. Cohen said the objective of the workshop was to begin the process of finding the appropriate site or
sites for the new City Hall complex. He referred to the draft list of site criteria provided in the agenda
packet and said the design team had identified over 30 possible sites for consideration, although both criteria
and site options could be modified during the workshop. He said following the August 24 community
forum, the design team would meet with the council on September 20 in a work session format with the hope
that one or two site choices could be identified to be carried forward into the conceptual design phase.
Mr. Cohen reviewed the agenda for the meeting and said the design team would make recommendations to
eliminate some sites because they did not conform to the site evaluation criteria. A discussion of site
evaluation criteria issues raised by council members would be followed by an interactive process to discuss
sites by applying criteria. He hoped that three to five sites could be identified for further study and asked the
council to also identify any additional information required to make a final site selection decision, as well as
what specific feedback should be solicited at the community forum.
Mr. Kelly said that narrowing the number of sites for consideration was not indicated in the agenda item
summary (AIS) as an outcome of the workshop, nor was any motion suggested. He said Ms. Bettman opted
not to participate by phone because no sites would be eliminated. Mr. Cohen replied that it was not
necessary to eliminate sites but the discussion should commence.
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Site Analysis Presentation
Consultant Doug Macy said that the boundary of the study of potential sites was the Downtown Plan
boundary. He said Eugene’s downtown was compact and nicely scaled and orientation of the City with
Willamette Street running between Spencer Butte and Skinner Butte was a major organizing element for the
community. He introduced consultant Ken Pirie to present findings of the study.
Mr. Pirie used a map of the downtown area to illustrate all major open spaces, public roadway rights-of-
way, building footprints and parcels. He said that all buildings in downtown were identified and key
landmarks named. He referred to the revised site criteria provided in the agenda packet and said they would
be used to inform the future site selection decision. He reviewed the following criteria and provided
examples of how they might be applied to sites:
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Appropriate site size to accommodate space needs
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Ability to accommodate future expansion space
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High potential to integrate sustainable design
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Proximity to and beneficial relationship with other governmental services
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Compatibility with adjacent land uses
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Easy accessibility via multiple modes of transportation: auto, walking, transit, bicycle
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Easy access to transportation corridors for public safety vehicles
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Costs related to existing improvements and site preparation
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Site availability and willing seller/s
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Contribute to civic pride and vitality downtown
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Support downtown planning efforts
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Consider impact of displacing prime private development opportunities
Mr. Macy remarked that a master planning process for the Park Blocks was in progress and recommenda-
tions at a public forum last week called for preserving the historic integrity of the east and west blocks and
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reestablishing of the traditional Park Blocks and improving 8 Avenue. He said the plan would be published
in the near future.
Mr. Kelly asked why a two- to three-block strip on each side of the railroad tracks was identified as high
impact for noise. Mr. Pirie replied that the width of the area was arbitrarily chosen as likely to be most
affected by the noise of passing trains. Mr. Macy added that noise could be mitigated and that factor was
only noted as something to contribute to the discussion, not necessarily to use to eliminate a site.
Mr. Papé asked if there were any examples of a public/private partnership to create a city hall building
where commercial activities co-existed with government functions. Consultant Thomas Hacker replied that
there were good examples of city halls that had been developed with areas for rental to private enterprises
but he was unaware of any public/private enterprise to actually develop a building.
Mr. Pirie reviewed a selection of policies approved as core elements of the Downtown Plan that were most
relevant to siting of a new City Hall complex. He said an assessment of current zoning in downtown
concluded that it supported a new City Hall complex in most of the Downtown Plan area with the exception
of some residential areas south of Broadway and east of downtown. He said other considerations were key
elements of overlay zoning and related to urban design. He noted the current City Hall site, as well as
several other sites, were outside the boundaries of both urban renewal districts. He reviewed a map of
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potential sites owned by the City, other government agencies and by private single or multiple owners. He
noted that sites could be added to the map.
Status of Other Agency Sites and Existing City Hall
Facility Project Manager Mike Penwell provided an update on the status and availability of properties
owned by other governmental agencies:
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Existing federal building – General Services Administration (GSA) confirmed the building would be
used for federal agencies for the next 10 to 15 years, although a small area would be available to
rent, possibly to Municipal Court
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Butterfly parking lot – owned by Lane County and any transfer of ownership to the City would
involve extensive negotiations; the County would entertain proposals, but the lot generated revenue
and that would be a consideration
Mayor Piercy pointed out that recommendations from the Park Blocks master planning effort were to return
the lot to use as a park rather than a building site. Mr. Hacker said that those uses were not mutually
exclusive and a civic building would a good companion to the Park Blocks.
Mr. Penwell continued his review of properties:
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Former Lane County Elections site – possible compensation to County for market value or exchange
of property
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Lane County parking garage on 6 Avenue – heavily used garage with tunnel access to the Court-
house and Public Service Building, would require significant compensation
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State Office Building – State is interested in surplusing the building
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EWEB site – recent decision by EWEB to move operations to west Eugene makes most of site
available
Mr. Penwell said there were three approaches to determining the value of the existing City Hall: 1) value in
use – the value of the building as City Hall; 2) principle substitution – purchase by another organization;
and 3) value exchange – analyzing the market value for rehabilitation and reuse. He said the third approach
was the primary approach used to estimate market value and a quick analysis indicated the existing building
might actually decrease the value of the land. He said other factors that affected income potential were the
high costs associated with rehabilitating and operating the building, relatively limited leasable space and
space that was low- to mid-quality. He said a more formal appraisal that included the full range of
approaches to value would be done to confirm that the building value was low with little likelihood the
market would rehabilitate it. He commented that the proposal from the Downtown Initiative for the Visual
Arts (DIVA) to use the building for a visual arts center might be feasible it the building was donated or sold
for $1.
Mr. Papé asked if the City would continue to have any liability with respect to building defects if it was
donated or sold. Mr. Penwell said that sale would transfer liability to the new owner. He added that there
was a small amount of asbestos in the building and drilling beneath the building had not found any
contaminants; the environmental risk of the building was low.
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Mr. Kelly agreed that the current City Hall site could be worth more as bare ground, but the intent of the
council was to determine if the building had community value as a long-standing downtown structure. He
said the issue was not economic but rather community value and there should be some type of outreach to
private for-profit and nonprofit organizations, such as a request for interest (RFI), to determine if there
would be any interest should the building become available. He would not be willing to support the current
City Hall site as the new City Hall site without some feedback from the community.
Ms. Taylor declared that the current City Hall building had won prizes when it was built and was considered
one of the best buildings in the country. She said the council should be cautious about demolishing the
building and later regretting it. Consultant Ellen Teninty said use of the current building and its value to the
community would be discussed in more detail later in the meeting.
City Manager Taylor agreed that an assessment of community value could be done; however, he felt that it
could be difficult for organizations to respond to an RFI without more information about the site and its
potential use.
Mr. Kelly asked that community feedback be made available by the council’s September 20, 2006, meeting,
particularly if the expectation was that a decision would be made about whether the current site would be
selected as one of the two sites for further analysis.
Mr. Papé wanted clarification about the type of information on the current site’s community value that
would satisfy other councilors. He was uncertain that issuing an RFI to for-profit and nonprofit organiza-
tions would be effective.
Ms. Ortiz echoed Mr. Kelly’s remarks about community value, but said she would also need information
about the monetary value. Mr. Penwell said that a more formal analysis would provide that information for
the September 20 meeting.
Ms. Ortiz also requested seismic information on the current building.
Criteria Discussion
Mr. Macy demonstrated the consequences of applying evaluation criteria to various sites and the design
teams’ recommendations with regard to eliminating some sites from further consideration because of factors
such as flood plain, adjacency to or across railroad tracks, remoteness from the downtown core and
incompatibility with sustainable design principles.
In response to a question from Mr. Kelly, Mr. Hacker explained the challenges of designing to LEED
standards for a building facing south and north on its long facades and the importance of orientation as a
consideration in site choice. Mr. Macy also pointed out sites that could be developed for commercial use to
reinforce Broadway as a commercial street.
Ms. Teninty asked for further discussion and direction on the following evaluation criteria:
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Consideration of sites prime for private development
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Affirmation of downtown planning policies and application to site selection
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Relevance of consolidation of police patrol function with the City Hall complex to the question
of site size
Mayor Piercy said the question of whether locating the City Hall complex in an area the City had been
considering for private development and how that might influence surrounding development should be a part
of the discussion.
Mr. Kelly said he was somewhat concerned about the addition of examples to the list of site criteria and
found them confusing. He preferred that the examples were not included in public workshop materials.
Regarding easy access to transportation corridors for public safety vehicles as a criterion to be considered,
he pointed out that typically patrol cars were only exiting the building at shift change and he was not certain
that access should be a strong consideration.
Ms. Taylor said she felt strongly that the criterion related to displacing prime private development
opportunities should be eliminated. She said her preference was to retain the current City Hall, but if a new
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complex was developed, she felt the former Sears building site at 10 Avenue and Charnelton Street was
ideal because of its proximity to public transportation and accessibility of public services. She did not think
train noise was a factor, nor was proximity to arts and cultural activities. She did like the idea of having the
Library nearby. She said police patrol was a different function and should be located in a police station, not
in City Hall, and that proximity to the County was important because people often needed to be redirected
from City Hall to County services and it was convenient for the public if the buildings were close.
In response to a question from Ms. Teninty, Ms. Taylor said she did not want to even consider impact on
prime development opportunities.
In response to questions from Mr. Papé regarding sustainability and building in a flood plain, Consultant
Galen Ohmart illustrated the effect of sunrise and sunset in different seasons on the ability to control direct
sunlight and increase occupant comfort while reducing the HVAC cooling load. He said that building
orientation also affected energy conservation and use of wind for cross ventilation and cooling. Mr. Macy
added that building in a flood plain was a poor practice, requiring consideration of the upstream impact of
water displaced in a flood event and mitigation. Mr. Cohen pointed out that inclusion of the police function
would present further complications.
Mr. Papé said he would not eliminate the EWEB site and he had no concern with railroad noise.
Ms. Solomon said she felt strongly that the Downtown Plan should be followed; it represented a significant
investment by citizens and the City and presented a vision for the downtown. She said selection of a site for
a new City Hall complex should remain faithful to that vision, particularly a civic street with civic-oriented
activities along it. She urged that the Downtown Plan be supported by the decision-making process.
Mr. Pryor said that he approached the issue as a 50- to 100-year decision and criteria should be considered
from both long-term and short-term perspectives. He said some features of downtown, such as the street
grid, river and Park Blocks would likely be there in 50 years, but other features like the train, commercial
activities and buildings could be in a drastically modified form. He urged the council to consider what
would be a suitable site for City Hall in 50 years.
Mr. Kelly agreed with Mr. Pryor regarding the long-term implications of a decision.
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The council took a break from 1:20 p.m. to 1:30 p.m.
Criteria Discussion (continued)
Ms. Teninty solicited additional comments on the three criteria she identified earlier.
Mr. Kelly agreed with Ms. Taylor’s suggestion to eliminate the criterion to consider the impact of displacing
prime private development opportunities. He said while it was a factor to consider, sites should not be
ranked on that basis, particularly from a long-range perspective. He was in favor of retaining the criterion
to support downtown planning efforts as it did not require strict adherence to each Downtown Plan policy.
He said the issue of police consolidation was not on the table as options were still being considered. Ms.
Teninty said the intent was to discuss the relevance of police consolidation to site selection so the design
team would understand councilors’ points of view, but not to reach a decision on the matter.
Mr. Kelly asked if patrol vehicle access other than at shift change was vital to Police Department operations.
Rick Siel, Eugene Police Department, replied that access was less of an issue than originally stated;
however, crossing railroad tracks was a problem.
Ms. Ortiz questioned the need to integrate the police patrol function into a new City Hall complex as it could
be done less expensively offsite. She did not think it was necessary to wait for a bond measure to address
police needs as the City had other properties available that could be used to provide a much better facility
for police personnel. She said that police functions did not necessarily need to be located downtown but
acknowledged that the police chief preferred to have some of the administrative functions remain in City
Hall.
Mayor Piercy suggested a broader criterion that would consider both the development potential of the
property as well as the community value aspect. She agreed with Ms. Teninty’s suggested wording:
Consider impact of private and community development opportunities.
Mr. Kelly supported Mayor Piercy’s suggestion and the revised wording.
Ms. Taylor said she could support a criterion that considered whether a City Hall was the best use of a site.
Mr. Papé said he also supported Mayor Piercy’s suggestion. He noted that the City currently lacked the
capacity to analyze private development and suggested inclusion of private developers on a committee to
assist the City with the analysis if that became a consideration. He said that including examples of criteria
application with the list of evaluation criteria was confusing. Ms. Teninty said the examples were provided
to facilitate the council’s discussion and would not be included in materials for the public workshop.
Mr. Poling agreed with Ms. Solomon’s comments regarding support for the Downtown Plan. He was
pleased that revised language was suggested for the criterion related to impact on private development
opportunities, as that needed to be considered in the site selection process. He had an opinion regarding
consolidation of police patrol but preferred to hear feedback from the public on that issue. Ms. Teninty said
that consolidation had been discussed in the first public forum and could be discussed again with respect to
site selection.
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Mr. Poling remarked that consolidation might also depend on the site selected.
Mr. Hacker reminded the council that massing diagrams for both full block and half block sites indicated
that either could accommodate Option B; however, selecting Option C would require two sites: one for City
Hall and one within two blocks distance for police.
Mr. Kelly said that Option C did not specify a distance.
Interactive Session Applying Criteria to Potential Sites
Mr. Hacker said that in relation to all of the criteria discussed previously, the current City Hall site was a
good choice and the design team recommended that it should be considered as a primary possibility for the
new City Hall. He said the site was positioned on a great civic street, had desirable relationships to other
governmental functions, and was close to the Park Blocks and cultural center of town. Regarding proximity
to cultural activity, he stated the team believed that city halls benefited from being visible and seen by the
public; sites near places used by the public in large numbers were a benefit to the image and presence of
government.
Mr. Macy said the site from Willamette Street to Oak Street, incorporating the butterfly lot and commercial
uses, as a potential City Hall site included the prospect of reclaiming the historic Park Blocks and would
contribute to the great civic street as well as promote the concept of a City Hall with a great civic space. He
said that locating the City Hall across the street from the Hult Center would also provide high visibility.
Mr. Hacker added that the site was also consistent with higher use of the land and sustainability.
Mayor Piercy said that the public should discuss whether use of the current City Hall as a visual arts center
would be consistent with the civic vision. Mr. Macy said that with respect to the great street concept, there
were two problems with the current City Hall over the long-term: in a 50- to 100-year horizon it was a
complete underutilization of land and had no ground floor relationships. He said the building was designed
in a time when ground floor relationships were not deemed important but over time, planners and architects
recognized that a community’s streets were its most valuable open space.
Mr. Papé asked if the buildings along Willamette Street on the west side of the site were on the Historic
Register. Mr. Hacker replied that the quarter block site did not have any historic structures and was
currently underutilized. He said there was some attraction to having a local government presence on the
main street with a connection between Spencer Butte and Skinner Butte.
Mr. Papé said the current City Hall site could be better utilized either as the site of a new City Hall or sold
for a different, more intense use.
Mayor Piercy said it appeared that all were in agreement that the current federal building and County’s
parking garage were not viable sites and could be removed from the list of potential sites.
Mr. Macy encouraged an approach that would mix other uses with civic uses along the great civic street to
promote activity throughout the day and evening.
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Mr. Kelly asked for the consultants’ perspective on the old County elections site.
Mayor Piercy commented that the site was bordered by a street that was not pedestrian-friendly. Mr. Macy
agreed that the street would only get busier and additionally the site was somewhat isolated from the
downtown core, although still within walking distance. He said it had the feeling of being on the perimeter
of downtown.
Mr. Papé said he favored retaining the former Sears site on the list.
Mr. Pryor noted that the County was also searching for a downtown site and asked if there had been efforts
to coordinate the City and County searches. City Manager Taylor replied that there were active discussions
in progress with the County.
Mr. Poling preferred to retain as many potential sites on the list as possible for the public forum. He
expressed concern about locating a City Hall complex on the EWEB property because of the flood plain
issue. He did not believe that locating a government building close to the railroad tracks would create noise
problems. He commented that the location of the two State motor pool lots also presented a barrier to the
rest of the downtown area.
Mr. Kelly did not want the sites discussed by Mr. Poling to be removed from the list prior to the public
workshop and suggested that the problems with those sites could be identified and, if possible, the cost of
mitigation estimated.
Ms. Ortiz said she was in favor of removing those sites that were near the railroad tracks but they should
remain for the public forum. She agreed with removing the remote sites such as those west of Olive Street
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and north of 6 Avenue, as well as the PeaceHealth site.
Mr. Poling said an important question for the public would be their willingness to have government facilities
farther apart, particularly if it was necessary to go from one building to another.
Mayor Piercy questioned characterizing some sites as remote as they were all within walking distance of
transportation and parking.
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Ms. Taylor agreed with eliminating all sites west of Olive Street and south of 11 Avenue. She suggested
that the old County elections site would be a good location for a police station. She favored the quarter
block that included the butterfly lot as a site for the new City Hall complex. She did not feel that the police
chief needed to be with other administrators.
Mayor Piercy asked that the public discussion include the topic of type of urbanization that was desired for
the downtown area.
Mr. Hacker said, in general, urban vitality increased with greater density, greater numbers of people living
in the downtown, and a very active street life.
Mr. Papé asked the consultants to provide the public with diagrams that illustrated the mass and scale of
various building heights on different sites.
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Mr. Pryor said the current City Hall site was attractive because it was a full block. He also liked the
butterfly lot site with its proximity to the Park Blocks and Ms. Taylor’s suggestion of the old County
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elections site for a police station. He said the two parking lots across 8 Avenue from the current City Hall
should be considered a potential site. He would support removing sites west of Willamette Street because of
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their location and orientation and sites south of 10 Avenue because of remoteness.
Mr. Hacker asked for councilors’ opinion about sites close to the new federal courthouse.
Mr. Papé thought the sites were remote but the public’s opinion should be sought.
Ms. Ortiz said the sites did not appear to be welcoming or easily accessible and should not be considered.
Mr. Kelly indicated he was lukewarm about the sites but they should be left on the list for discussion at the
public forum. He expressed concern about shifting downtown to the east before the current core had an
opportunity to be revitalized.
Mayor Piercy agreed with Mr. Kelly’s concern about a shift in downtown, as did Ms. Taylor.
Mr. Papé said he was not certain that a significant amount of retail could be attracted to the downtown;
offices and restaurants could be the more typical use.
Following a discussion, Mr. Hacker determined that the issue of train noise would be discussed at the forum
only if raised by the public, although access issues could be addressed and crossing sites illustrated on the
map.
Ms. Teninty clarified that the EWEB site would remain on the list but information about flood plain issues
would be presented at the public forum. She asked about the relevance of stimulating arts and culture in the
downtown.
Mayor Piercy said her concern was not with adjacency of arts and culture but rather with having an arts and
cultural component to the new City Hall that would connect it to the community.
Desired Public Feedback and Information Required to Evaluate and Select Site
Ms. Teninty asked if the criterion related to high potential to integrate sustainable design was clearly
presented. She determined there was general agreement that it was.
Mr. Kelly remarked that it was important for the consultants to raise issues during the public forum, but not
to the extent that it was implied a site was eliminated.
Ms. Teninty asked if the criterion related to proximity and beneficial relationships with other government
entities required clarification.
Mr. Kelly felt it would eliminate confusion by simplifying the criterion to just proximity to other governmen-
tal services.
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Ms. Teninty determined there was agreement with Mr. Kelly’s suggestion. She also determined that the
language related to compatibility with adjacent land uses was acceptable. She asked if the issue of a flood
plain could be presented under site costs.
Mr. Poling asked that the issue of potential safety hazards with a site in the flood plain or adjacent to the
railroad tracks be included in the criteria and presentation by consultants.
There were no objections to the wording of the criterion related to considering the impact on community and
private development.
Mr. Kelly suggested that the criterion related to public safety vehicle access to transportation corridors be
eliminated or revised to indicate the criterion was dependent on whether the patrol function was consoli-
dated.
Ms. Teninty asked if there were particular questions that should be posed to the public to elicit information
for the council.
Mr. Kelly asked that hard copies of the maps be provided at the public forum to aid the discussion. He said
the presentation and discussion should include all sites except those that were determined to be impossible
and removed from the list. He suggested that the remaining sites be numbered with a key to identify each
site to make discussion of sites easier. He said members of the public should be asked if there were certain
sites they loved or loathed.
Ms. Ortiz said she was interested in whether the public would support a bond issue. Ms. Teninty said that
question would be asked in the next phase of the project. She asked if there was other information the
council wanted in order to confidently make a decision to narrow the number of sites that would move
forward to the conceptual design process.
Mr. Papé said that it was important to know the public’s opinion on the current City Hall, its community
value and retaining it for community use.
Mr. Kelly said there was also an economic component to the discussion of disposition of the old City Hall
and he was interested in estimates of the fair market value of the block and building and the cost of seismic
upgrades for general use. He also wanted feedback from the for-profit and nonprofit communities indicating
interest in the building. Mr. Penwell asked for more clarity on what type of information this would produce
that would help the council make a decision.
Mr. Kelly said that the quantity and quality of expressions of interest would be useful.
Ms. Ortiz said she was thinking about the future reaction of voters and was interested in some background
information about the potential sale of the current City Hall, costs associated with repairs and improvements
and similar issues so she could have informed conversations with constituents about the estimated cost of
various options.
Mr. Papé said it was not the City’s mission to preserve period architecture.
Ms. Teninty invited the public to participate in the August 24, 2006, public forum.
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The meeting adjourned at 3 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Dennis M. Taylor
City Manager
(Recorded by Lynn Taylor)
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