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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC Minutes - 11/17/99 WS MINUTES Eugene City Council Council Chambers--City Hall November 17, 1999 5:30 p.m. COUNCILORS PRESENT: Scott Meisner, Nancy Nathanson, Pat Fart, David Kelly, Bobby Lee, Betty Taylor, Gary Pap~, Gary Rayor. DINNER WORK SESSION OF THE EUGENE CITY COUNCIL Mayor James D. Torrey called the work session of the City Council to order. A. Items from Mayor, City Council, and City Manager Ms. Nathanson discussed a fatal traffic accident that had occurred early that day at the intersection of Maple and Roosevelt streets. She expressed regret for the accident and said it seemed there had been a number of accidents over the years at that location. She hoped the City Manager's Office could arrange for her to visit the site with representatives of the Police and Public Works departments. Ms. Nathanson announced that the City of Eugene received an award for the ©akwood Manor affordable housing project from St. Vincent de Paul. St. Vincent de Paul had worked with the City and several businesses and banks to purchase and rehabilitate the housing development, keeping rents affordable while rehabilitating housing and maintaining good housing stock in the community. She stressed the importance of saving existing housing to maintain an adequate supply of affordable housing. Mr. Lee passed. Mr. Rayor said that he attended the library open house, which was well-attended. He termed the design excellent, and said the design team was receptive to the comments offered it. He said that comments were minor in terms of the overall project scope. Mr. Kelly noted the distribution to the council of the street improvement funding proposal, the subject of a work session on November 22. He urged the council to read the materials thoroughly before that time because of the complexity of the issue and the short time schedule for discussion. He said that City Engineer Les Lyle was ready to meet with any councilor who wished to discuss the proposal. Mr. Meisner passed. Mr. Fart said that the Human Rights Commission met the previous evening and agreed to award the International Humanitarian Day given to a City staff person to Elise Self of the City Manager's Office, who is a Minutes Recorder. Ms. Self was selected because of her work with PFLAG MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 1 5:30 p.m. (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) and GLSEN (Gays, Lesbian and Straight Education Network). He noted that Ms. Self had been with the City for five years. Mr. Farr congratulated Ms. Self and thanked her for the work she does. Mr. Farr said that a letter from the Human Rights Commission regarding the 2000 Census and the importance of the census' accuracy would be distributed to vulnerable groups in the community who tended not to report their presence, address, nation, or origin for fear of being turned into the Immigration and Naturalization Service. He said that the census was a private survey not shared with other government agencies. Mr. Farr discussed the Public Works Department's dinner with representatives of the communities of color, saying that Human Rights Commissioner Chuck Dalton had expressed his belief that a great deal of progress had been made in the City organization in terms of diversity and outreach to minorities. Mr. Farr believed Eugene was making more progress in this area than other local jurisdictions. He noted that each City department had a diversity committee and a great deal of progress was being made as a result of their work. He said that the chairs of those committees would meet soon with the Human Rights Commission. Ms. Taylor congratulated staff on the recently published citywide newsletter, saying she was happy the neighborhood groups were listed prominently. She still would like to see neighborhood meetings listed in the newspapers and suggested that all City publications include neighborhood group meetings and their dates and times, as well as information about what those groups were doing. Ms. Taylor said that it should be clear to the public that citizens were also welcome at neighborhood group board meetings. Ms. Taylor said that she had sent the council an e-mail message requesting that the council adopt a resolution comparable to that adopted by Portland regarding the World Trade Organization (WTO). The resolution would ask that the WTO adopt nothing that would preclude a community from taking action to protect the environment, human rights, and labor. She asked for further discussion at the November 22 meeting. Ms. Taylor referred to a temporary surface permit issued for a portion of Onyx Street where many trees had been cut and fill had been deposited. She said that it was too late to undo what had occurred, but asked if future similar situations could be avoided if the 50 percent resident consent requirement was codified. Mr. Torrey introduced Yoshio Tsuchie, an intern from Shinji, Japan. He was from Pace University and would be at the City for four months. He encouraged the council to take time to discuss municipal government with Mr. Tsuchie. He welcomed Mr. Tsuchie to Eugene. Mr. Pap8 arrived at the meeting. Mr. Torrey said that he had been contacted by a Gilham School fifth grade school teacher asking him for ideas for community service for her students to heighten their sense of community responsibility. He had suggested to her that the students walk around the Gilham School area and deliver Year 2000 brochures to residents, and that had occurred. MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 2 5:30 p.m. The council discussed Ms. Taylor's request that it adopt a resolution regarding the WT©. Mr. Johnson reminded the council that three councilors could place an item on the agenda anytime, but the issue was considered time-sensitive given the upcoming WT© conference in Seattle, Washington. Mr. Torrey reminded the council that in the past, rather than adopting a resolution for an item outside the normal purview of the council, sympathetic councilors had agreed to sign a letter about the issue in question. He expressed concern about the amount of time processing a resolution such as that proposed by Ms. Taylor would take. Ms. Nathanson expressed a preference for past practice, which was not to adopt resolutions that were largely symbolic in that they were largely outside the purview of the City of Eugene or City Council. She said that given limited agenda time and the council's responsibilities, the council was not generally familiar with such issues and should have time to hear about and discuss an issue so councilors could cast a knowledgeable vote. Ms. Nathanson suggested that how the council spent its time at meetings should be related to achieving its most urgent City goals. Mr. Meisner said he was not opposed to considering a resolution but the issue was a huge one and he was being barraged with information from many sources, and he was unsure what to believe. He said such a resolution could easily require a two-hour presentation and discussion, and he would have to oppose action on a resolution without substantial education and information. He did not want to add two hours to the Monday meeting. Mr. Meisner's preference was that each councilor be given the choice to sign a letter. Mr. Kelly did not think the council discussion needed to be lengthy. He said that the Portland resolution was fairly focused. He understood, however, the reluctance of other councilors to act without more information, and agreed that the council did not have two hours to spend on the topic. Responding to Ms. Nathanson's comments, Mr. Kelly suggested that the issue could impact the City's goals. As an example, he offered a hypothetical City decision to use certified lumber, which could be prohibited by the WT© as a restraint of trade. Ms. Taylor said that a decision to require diversity could be prohibited by the WT©. She thought that most people were familiar with the issue, and suggested that the council could adopt a resolution that stated it opposed international trade agreements that had the effect of eroding human rights, environmental protection, or fair labor standards. She did not think it would require a lot of discussion. Mr. Meisner reiterated his concern that the issue would require considerable council education. Mr. Lee noted that Portland and Salem had adopted similar resolutions. He suggested that all councilors become as informed as possible on their own. He did not think that the council needed to adopt a resolution right away, and said it could be placed on an agenda when there was time. Mr. Pap~ concurred with Ms. Nathanson's remarks. He was concerned that if the council adopted such a resolution it would set a precedent. Mr. Pap~ did not think the council had the time and energy to consider such resolutions in addition to all else it needed to do to carry out the business MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 3 5:30 p.m. of the City. He endorsed Mr. Meisner's suggestion that interested councilors sign a letter in support of the resolution. Mr. Meisner reiterated that he did not object to considering a resolution. He would like to see the information provided to the Portland and Salem councils, and said he was not comfortable with an approach that required each councilor to seek individual information. He said the council worked in public from common materials. Mr. Torrey suggested that Ms. Taylor make all the materials related to the item available to the City Manager for distribution to the council. He reiterated that the best approach was the one used in the past. Responding to a suggestion from Mr. Rayor that staff provide the council with a memorandum on the timing of the tree ordinance and key waterway ordinance, Mr. Johnson said that regarding the key waterway ordinance, there are no timing issues involved. B.Work Session: Federal Courthouse/City Hall Alternatives Ms. Nathanson, co-chair of the Council Committee on City Hall Alternatives, said the committee had a long meeting to discuss its final alternatives, and had reached the conclusion that there were feasible options to fund a permanent or fallback position and that it was worth continuing the discussion. The committee believed the 2® Avenue and Chambers Street site was the best for a new police headquarters. The committee believed there were several suitable sites for a fire station downtown, and no need at this point to select a site before a decision was made Ms. Nathanson said that the committee agreed that a general obligation bond was the best way to fund replacement of public safety facilities, and the committee discussed the subject in terms of three separate elements: the police headquarters, a fire station, and Municipal Court. The committee had no firm recommendation about the location of Municipal Court, but continued to believe that it would be included as a public safety component of a larger package, and that the public safety needs were the first that should be met. Regarding administrative functions now located in City Hall, Ms. Nathanson said that it appeared to be feasible to identify enough money from internal funds, such as the sales of assets, to fund a move to renovated space or a small new space without having to go to the voters for new money. Ms. Nathanson said that the committee discussed different sites and different options, but agreed that the final decision was the council's. Mr. Kelly, the other committee co-chair, reminded the council it had another work session on the subject scheduled for December 6. He said that committee was seeking a general sense of direction from the council. Lew Bowers, Planning and Development Department, reviewed a series of wall charts that summarized the committee's recommendations broken down into the categories "public safety" and "City Hall" and grouped by the approximate square footage discussed for each of the MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 4 5:30 p.m. functions, the site discussed, the estimated cost, tentative funding source, and the fallback alternative for each function. Responding to a question from Mr. Meisner, Mike Penwell, Public Works Department, reviewed the assumptions behind the square footage estimates for the police and fire functions. Mr. Johnson clarified that the 60,000 square foot number for the police did not include the 9-1-1 Center. Mr. Meisner questioned the figures given that the police were not using the 9-1-1 space. Mr. Penwell explained that attempting to determine what was being used by the department was a moving target because the City was always remodeling space in City Hall. Mr. Meisner did not understand the inclusion of the 9-1-1 space in the square footage estimates because that space was being replaced in another facility. He distinguished between space that was planned for and space presently in use. Mr. Bowers noted the distribution of memorandums from Public Works Department Director Christine Andersen and Mr. Rayor regarding the "no build" option. Mr. Torrey asked for comments from other committee members. Mr. Rayor characterized himself as being the minority member of the committee. He said that the real question before the council was whether the City had the money to build a new city hall, particularly given the timing of the GSA's decision. Mr. Rayor said that the City Council should not interpret a no vote on a bond measure as indifference to City employees' safety, but rather as the belief of those who would oppose it that there was a less expensive option. He was concerned about the inflation of numbers in general. Mr. Rayor wanted to ensure that if the City wanted to preserve the 6th Avenue site for some other more desirable form of development, it should make sure appropriate regulations were in place to ensure the butte was not obscured and parking was not removed. Mr. Pap~ commended Ms. Nathanson and Mr. Kelly for their work in getting the committee through a considerable amount of work in a short time. He was thankful that the federal government's actions had brought the issue to the council's attention because he had previously been unaware of the condition of police and fire facilities. He wanted to keep the issue before the council whether or not the City sold City Hall to the GSA. Regarding the options for police facilities before the council, Mr. Pap~ said it was his understanding that the land adjacent to the 2nd Avenue and Chambers Street site was not available. Mr. Johnson said that other proximate sites were available. Regarding the options for administrative facilities, Mr. Pap~ said that he was interested in a longer process that might involve a public/private partnership. He said that areas outside the Sears block should be considered. He believed that there was an opportunity for the City to construct a nice administrative facility that upgraded downtown. Mr. Torrey asked for comments from other councilors. Mr. Lee questioned whether the public would support a $28 million general obligation bond, noting the options included a fallback plan. Given that fallback plan, he said the council should move forward. He believed the community needed a new city hall. He acknowledged that the issue was difficult and if the measure did not pass, there would be some chaos for City staff in the next MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 5 5:30 p.m. two years. In the long run, he said, the decision was the right one. He was ready for the community to have a discussion about the long-term future of City Hall, and the general obligation bond was the trigger for that discussion. Mr. Fart said it was important to him that when the City did build new permanent facilities, those facilities matched the scale and style of Eugene. He asked if $28 million would build quality facilities that met the community's long-term needs. If not, the council should save the money, move forward with the temporary solution for the police and fire services and Municipal Court, and then consider a longer term solution. Mr. Fart expressed concern about some of the asset sales proposed. He agreed that something had to happen at the current City Hall. He asked if the estimates proposed for renovation of the structure would result in a facility the community could be proud of in the future. Ms. Taylor said that the amount of money involved concerned her. She did not believe replacing City Hall would cost only $2 million more than it would cost to renovate it. She was troubled by the speed of the process, saying that there should be a public process. If anything needed to be done, the council should proceed slowly and thoughtfully. She said that it appeared there was money to relocate the downtown fire station, and the police could occupy the space currently occupied by the station now. Ms. Taylor believed that the current City Hall location was the best location because of its proximity to the County building. She said she would like to see the Sears building site used for all the offices that currently occupy leased space. If the Atrium was no longer needed it could be returned to mixed commercial use. Ms. Taylor was concerned about moving the police from downtown. She asked if the public needed to go to the police station sometimes and, if so, everyone was familiar with downtown which could be accessed with a single bus ride. Ms. Taylor said if people need access to the station it should be downtown. She said that Municipal Court should be downtown for the same reason. Ms. Taylor said that the current City Hall, if it were made safe, was fine until the City could afford to build something worthy of preserving and worthy of Eugene. Mr. Meisner said the federal courthouse issue has brought urgency to the issue of replacing City Hall. That issue had been urgent but unacknowledged. While some planning had been done, as with all other capital maintenance, the situation had been put off and unfunded. He was glad that the federal courthouse issue had brought the issue more prominence. Mr. Meisner said that if the City asked the GSA not to consider City Hall, it was saying, build at 6th Avenue. The City Council needed to be prepared, if it said no, to see a building at that location whose design, scale, and it had no legal control over. He was not prepared to do that. Mr. Meisner believed that the City Hall facilities, particularly those with the police and fire functions, should have been replaced a long time ago. He asked if the current facility was worth the investment it would take to make it safe for other City offices if police and fire were moved out. Mr. Meisner said that the building would need to be made safe to work in. He believed the current City Hall site was the best site for the new courthouse. MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 6 5:30 p.m. Mr. Meisner concurred with Ms. Taylor regarding the importance of keeping the police downtown. He said that the public made extensive use of both the police station and Municipal Court and it did not make sense to remove activity from downtown when the City is trying to stimulate activity in the area. Regarding financing, Mr. Meisner hoped the City could get imaginative and that the amount involved was less that $28 million. He suggested that as the City negotiated for payment for City Hall, it might be able get a site, and reduce that amount. Mr. Meisner hoped the City would contemplate the public/private partnership favored by Mr. Pap~, which could reduce construction costs significantly. He wanted reexamination of the square footage required for police, fire, and Municipal Court, because the figures he was seeing reflected significant increases over the space being used now. Regarding the use of the Sears building as discussed by Ms. Taylor, Mr. Meisner said that while he also liked the idea of keeping City Hall close to the County offices, he believed that it was more important to have a civic center where people could come for all their City activities. Mr. Meisner did not favor the concept of placing the public functions in the City Manager's Office on the 4th floor of the new library as proposed in the fallback alternative, suggesting those functions and the City Council-related functions instead be placed in more accessible leased space. Mr. Meisner hoped the City contemplated even more asset sales, and endorsed a previously made suggestion by Mr. Rayor that the council have a discussion of the City's parking program, what it recovered in revenues, and what parking facilities the City needed to own or sell. He questioned whether the City needed to be in the business of providing parking. Regarding the amount of public information that had been provided to residents about the issue, Mr. Torrey pointed out that the issue had considerable print and television media coverage. He said that the council underestimated itself if it felt it had to have an additional six-month process. He believed the council was prepared to make a decision by December 6. Mr. Torrey urged the council to spend the time it took to be ready to act. Mr. Torrey said that there would be a community discussion on the issue, particularly if the council proposed a bond measure. He said that the community was prepared to tell the council yes or no, and the council should be prepared to let the community vote on a combined package to fund police and fire facilities at the May election. He noted that a bond measure required a 50 percent turnout and the May election represented the council's best chance for such a turnout outside a general election. Mr. Torrey believed that there would be several other property tax measures on the November ballot. He did not think that the Municipal Court should be included in that measure. If the GSA purchased City Hall, which he believed was the best site for the courthouse, there would be vacated bankruptcy court facilities and he believed the City would be able to negotiate for their use at a reasonable cost. Mr. Torrey did not know the appropriate square footage for the police and fire facilities at this time but believed the council would be able to agree on a number before the election. Regarding a new fire station, Mr. Torrey suggested it could be located on the site currently used for parking east side of the existing federal courthouse. MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 7 5:30 p.m. Regarding the use of the Sears building Mr. Torrey said he was not prepared to ask the voters in May to build a new city hall. He noted the council's goal for a safe community and said the City had not done enough to provide resources to its Police Department. He said that police facilities had a higher priority. Mr. Torrey said the balance of services delivered out of City Hall could be done from the Sears building for a temporary period of time. He said that the community needed a quality city hall at some point, but first the council must deal with the public safety facilities. Mr. Torrey said that Mr. Rayor's comments about the potential for another large scale building on the 6th Avenue site were legitimate, but he did not think that the council could respond to all Mr. Rayor's suggested alternatives by December 6. Mr. Torrey thanked the committee members for their efforts. He said that the committee had compressed a year's work in one month. Addressing Mr. Meisner's concerns about the need for keeping the police station downtown, Ms. Nathanson said the current plan was to have a police station downtown, although its exact location was unknown. Referring to the North End Scoping Group final report, Ms. Nathanson said the report included direction to staff to address the issues of height restrictions or limitations in the district, work which would come to the council in the form of an ordinance. Ms. Nathanson said her suggestion to locate administrative offices in the library was to ensure that the council did not feel as though it had to make a decision about City Hall at the same time it made a decision about the police and fire facilities. She said that the point was to ensure that there was a place for every function as well as time to deliberate the site development issues related to City Hall. Ms. Nathanson agreed with Mr. Farr regarding the need to build a structure that matched the scale and size of Eugene, and said it was important that the permanent facilities built for police and fire met that expectation, and that the materials used were appropriate for the functions housed. Ms. Nathanson questioned whether it was worth fixing the current City Hall given that there would be no gain in space or functionality for the public. She pointed out that the structure lacked a front door, and it was as if the City was literally behind walls and above pedestrian level. She did not think City Hall was currently very pedestrian friendly. Ms. Nathanson liked the idea of creating a civic center and said that while the City might not be able to do that right away, it was one of her goals. Ms. Nathanson questioned whether the City would be able to secure as much money from a private party in four to five years as it would from the GSA right now. Mr. Kelly said that it was important to him that the courthouse not be located at the 6th Avenue site. The building would be inappropriate for the fabric of the area, which was one part of downtown that worked quite well. He said that the current City Hall had seismic problems and police facilities were inadequate, unsafe, and unfair. Mr. Kelly said it pained him to put millions of dollars into the facility, because it was throwing good money after bad. The money was better MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 8 5:30 p.m. spent on a new quality building rather than attempting to pull City Hall together with wire and bracing. However, Mr. Kelly said, the extra cost beyond the likely federal payment was very large and he was concerned about the voters' reaction. If the federal government was unwilling to pay more, the taxpayers would be left to make up the difference, and he feared that could be as much as 85 percent of the total cost of a new city hall. Mr. Kelly said he would like to approach the GSA and ask what could be done to make the split more equitable. Mr. Kelly said that he would like to ask the GSA to await the May election results before the City made a decision about the City Hall site. Mr. Pap8 concurred with Mr. Rayor and Mr. Meisner about the need for a work session on parking. Other councilors concurred. Mr. Pap8 said that the City had been woefully inadequate in getting the word out to the public about how draconian the police and fire facilities are. They were functional and employees were getting the job done, but he did not think the council could expect them to continue on and deliver the same level of public safety services as need for long into the future under those circumstances. Mr. Pap8 said that the City needed to follow the model established by the University in building new facilities, and have vision, plan, and take the needed risks. Mr. Rayor objected to rounding up square footage numbers and cost estimates, and he also objected to building for well beyond 2007. The projected square footage was more than 2-1/2 times the space the police currently had. He said that if there was a bond measure, it should be for $27.2 million rather than $28 million. Responding to a question from Mr. Lee, Mr. Johnson said that the police indicated a preference for modular units to the basement quarters they were currently in. Mr. Farr believed it would be relatively easy to house the Municipal Court. He believed that the police required 2-1/2 times the space they currently had to perform their work. Mr. Farr suggested a "mix and match" approach to the elements that assumed the fallback positions for fire and Municipal Court while providing for a new police facility. Ms. Taylor did not object to putting something on the May ballot to let the voters decide, but she did object to putting a measure before the voters the council had already decided upon. She said that the services should be in separate measures so people can vote on what they wanted. She thought the council had made a good start in letting people know about the problems with the existing City Hall. Ms. Taylor said she would like the GSA to defer its decision until after the May election. She also agreed with Mr. Rayor about the need to ensure that regulations were in place to preclude construction of a large, out-of-scale building at the 6th Avenue site. Ms. Taylor did not want the courthouse at 5th Avenue or the City Hall site. Responding to a question from Mr. Lee, Mr. Johnson said that staff had asked about a delay but had not received an encouraging answer. He said that staff could ask the question again, but said that GSA staff had not been hopeful because of concern over losing the earmarked appropriation. MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 9 5:30 p.m. Mr. Meisner said he was not particularly interested in a May election because so many seats and issues, including the seats of four councilors and the mayor, were being contested at that time. He did not think that Lane Transit District intended to continue donating the space for the police substation downtown, which would mean there would be a need for another location at added cost. He did not see the benefit of further investment in the current City Hall, expressing surprise that the condition of the building had not led to complaints to the Occupational Health and Safety Administration. Mr. Meisner stressed the importance of using carefully arrived at, conservative estimates. He wanted to avoid "space creep" from inflated estimates. Mr. Meisner did not want the federal courthouse at 5th Street and supported continued negotiations with GSA. Mr. Torrey believed there was a misconception regarding the value of City Hall for a party other than the federal government or City of Eugene. It would be worth its appraised value, less appreciation. Mr. Torrey encouraged the councilors to lead and to be prepared to stand behind their positions. MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 10 5:30 p.m. C.Work Session: Year 2000 Update Mr. Johnson called the council's attention to Attachment B of the agenda item, Draft Council Protocols for Y2K. He indicated staff would contact the councilors for information about their whereabouts and availability on December 31. Mr. Kelly expressed appreciation for the protocols and said they looked fine to him. He was pleased that the citywide newsletter included information about emergency preparedness, and encouraged those who had not taken the City's emergency preparedness course to do so. Mr. Meisner asked if the Lane Metro Y2K Team was a staff team and what the City's funding was buying. Phil Weiler of the City Manager's Office responded that the City joined with 19 other public agencies and pooled funding to underwrite the costs of printing informational materials and the costs of print and radio advertising. He clarified that there was no funding for staffing associated with the effort. Mr. Pap~ commended the council protocols and said staff had done a great job in getting the word out about the topic. Responding to a question from Mr. Pap~, Mr. Wang said that City staff was working with Regional Information Systems staff on last-minute testing but he anticipated all systems would be ready by December 31. Mr. Johnson described the results of a mock emergency exercise, which he said went well. Mr. Fart also commended the citywide newsletter and said he hoped citizens would review the information, which was very useful in any emergency. He asked if there had been any coordination with the school districts in the case of a massive need for food preparation, for example. Mr. Weiler said the school districts were part of the larger group of public agencies. He described the regional group formed by Lane County to address Y2K issues and said that the last meeting had included information sharing about what all agencies would be doing when problems occurred. Mr. Wang added that City staff had met several times with the Red Cross, which was equipped to open up shelters, and schools were a likely location for shelters. Mr. Weiler said that all the social service providers in Lane County formed a similar group that met on a quarterly basis to ensure that all the agencies coordinated emergency service delivery on December 31, 1999. Responding to a question from Mr. Fart, Mr. Johnson said that the City would follow the progress of events around the world as time changes. Responding to a question from Mr. Tarrey, Mr. Wang said the City had not contacted the school districts about their computer systems' readiness; he assumed that they were working on the issue. Mr. Tarrey said that his assistant, Beth Fattest, was arranging for him and Mr. Weiler to meet with students from the five high school who were willing to contact any disabled or senior citizen who calls into the Emergency Operations Center with a concern on New Year's Eve. The students will check on those individuals. MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 11 5:30 p.m. The meeting adjourned at 7:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted, James R. Johnson City Manager (Recorded by Kimberly Young) MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 17, 1999 Page 12 5:30 p.m.