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Councilor Pap~ raised concern that fraternities/sororities frequently housed more than 20 people and that some people might be causing a disturbance when others were involved in more quiet activities. Councilor Nathanson reiterated Councilor Kelly's comments regarding the enforcement of traditional laws regarding intoxicated minors and violations of the noise ordinance. Councilor Fart left the meeting at 9:30 p.m. Councilor Nathanson said that she had read accounts of weapons and physical assaults at parties. She raised concern that people could still have disruptive parties up to four times a year without incurring the penalty. She said that she would support the 20-person limit but not the 25- person limit. Councilor Taylor supported the 25-person limit. She raised concern over penalizing people because others had done bad things in the past. She reiterated that there were existing penalties that would handle the situation. She related that she had been to teachers' parties that had gotten loud and would fall under the ordinance. Councilor Taylor went on to say that if police responded to a party and simply asked people to be more quiet the majority of them would do so. She stressed her desire to do anything to make the ordinance less punitive. Councilor Bettman reiterated that it was only the second party in 90 days that incurred the ordinance and commented that "there were a lot of ducks to put in a row" before the ordinance was enforced. Mayor Torrey related a telephone call that he had received from a concerned citizen who was going to have more than 25 guests for Thanksgiving and Christmas and was worried over the potential fine that might be incurred. He said that he would support Councilor Papa's amendment in the event of a tie, because of the commendable work done by the ASU©. The amendment to the amendment to the motion passed, 4:3, with councilors Meisner, Nathanson, and Bettman voting no. The amendment to the motion passed unanimously, 7:0. Councilor Kelly, seconded by Councilor Pap~, moved to amend the language of Subsection 2(a) regarding first response to add the words "...and in circumstances where the person responsible for the gathering was not the first to call the police to request assistance." Councilor Kelly opined that if the goal of the ordinance was to serve as a deterrent, the positive behavior should be rewarded. He added that the if the person responsible for the party was the first to call the police then they should not be counted as having had a first response under the proposed ordinance. Councilor Pap~ reiterated that it was his desire to work with the students of ASUO to find an agreeable solution to the problem. City Manager Johnson said that staff supported the amendment. MINUTES--Eugene City Council November 13, 2000 Page 13 Regular Meeting