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ordinance, he said that there were other methods to address the issues involved. He said the <br />council had the power to address those issues through the existing court system. Regarding the <br />mall closure, Mr. Prince said that it was inappropriate to close what he termed an urban center <br />with public transit and late night and early morning activities, such as bars, night clubs, and <br />restaurants. He urged the council to use the existing system to address the problems on the <br />mall. <br /> <br />M. V. Lazar, PO Box 10241, Eugene, said he owned two businesses in downtown and supported <br />the revised ordinances, saying they were the best thing that had happened downtown since the <br />Willamette Street and Olive Street openings. He also suggested that Broadway Street be opened <br />as soon as possible. <br /> <br />Mayor Torrey closed the public hearing. <br /> <br />Ms. Nathanson indicated interest in hearing the circumstances surrounding Mr. Seymour's <br />anecdotal testimony, saying on face value it "sounds astonishing." <br /> <br />Ms. Nathanson requested information about the City's experience with video surveillance, and its <br />feasibility and appropriateness, adding she believed that would raise other questions about civil <br />liberties. <br /> <br />Ms. Nathanson noted that many people called for greater use of the Municipal Court system, and <br />asked staff to briefly discuss the likelihood of that approach given limited funding. <br /> <br />Ms. Nathanson said she would like to hear more about selective enforcement as asserted by <br />those offering testimony. <br /> <br />Mr. Kelly said he was concerned about the integrity of Eugene's legal system. His concern was <br />focused on due process. He acknowledged that the ordinances had a positive effect in many <br />ways in downtown but he was troubled by the civil liberties aspect of the issue. <br /> <br />Mr. Kelly noted that violation of the mall rules had been removed from the exclusion ordinance. <br /> <br />Mr. Kelly requested suggestions from staff and those offering testimony that would strengthen the <br />judicial review element of the exclusion ordinance so it would be made plainer to those <br />threatened with exclusion that they could seek judicial review. <br /> <br />Ms. Taylor was also troubled by the issue of civil liberties and supportive of changes made by the <br />council to the ordinances. It did not seem right to her that a part of downtown should be closed <br />at any time. Ms. Taylor suggested that problems on the mall increased at the same time the <br />skateboard and dog ban on 13th Avenue was adopted by the council. She was sympathetic to <br />those who complained about human excrement in alleyways but pointed out that was not on the <br />mall. Ms. Taylor questioned whether additional rest rooms would help. She believed the <br />additional police presence rather than ordinances had improved conditions downtown. She was <br />bothered by the construction of fences around the planters where people used to sit. Ms. Taylor <br />believed the mall had been a more inviting place to be in the past. <br /> <br />Mr. Meisner asked how the exclusion ordinance's five-day appeal process was communicated to <br />those receiving an exclusion. He also noted that the curfew was not unique to the mall, pointing <br />out that City parks also have closing times, and asked how those curfews and exclusion orders in <br /> <br />MINUTES--Eugene City Council February 22, 1999 Page 8 <br />7:30 p.m. <br /> <br /> <br />